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  1. #15
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    Not seen it before. I move my hands, but not as much as I probably should. It does make a big difference when done.

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    I don't understand what he means about getting low. Watching the clip he doesn't look any lower at that stage of the turn than the drop in or coming back to the lip. In snow boarding at least you stand straightest at the point the board is flat before you change edges when carving. You start to bend as you enter the carve with your legs most bent when you've got the most edge engaged and greatest centripetal force. I'm told it's because if you stay straight all the force of the turn goes into the edge and your morelikley to come unstuck. Bendings supposed to absorb the force and avoid over loading the edge. Faster and harder the carve the more bend is required. Might be similar, might not.

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    James, I agree that by entering a snowboard carve with bent knees you can absorb more energy/bumps and therefore set the rail without skipping out. Being a slow but a active carver I believe I then push out about as hard as I feel I can to accelerate out of the turn which then leaves me more upright when transitioning to the other rail.


    Had a good session yesterday (ten minutes drive) and really focused on my fakie carving. I believe much of the experience can be transferred to my wrong tack bottom turns. Firstly, the steeper it gets the more I start to anticipate failure and look straight ahead rather than at where I want to go. The negative expecation and wrong focus is of course a consequence of inferior technique, but really adds to the problem. I's like staring straight down the bottom of the wave on the redirect.


    Even the underlying technique problem is similar to the bottomturn. When going fakie in steeper parts I stand up a bit and get too much weight on the backfoot. This hinders me from setting the rail efficiently with the front foot. It makes for a more skippy carve. And - not least importantly - it makes it harder to push out on the back foot to decrease the radious of the turn.


    Interestingly (for me at least) I also find that when really forcing myself to get low and forward and push out with the back foot on exit, I overtax some untrained muscles. So it's not only about getting the muscle memory right. You also need the muscle strength to do the job. The good thing about snowboarding is you can spend quite a bit of time carving like this whereas in onshore waveriding at least it's only a few seconds now and then.
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    I think he says get down low to try and avoid the 'straight leg leaning turn' (easier less tiring? The sort of turn you do when tired - oh is it only me...), promoting the bending of you legs so you can trim the board and adjust the sail to the apparent wind and use the power sources of wind, wave and gravity more efficiently in the bottom turn.

    The acid test is to actually try it when you are on a wave and compare both techniques and after experimentation see which is actually more effective for you.
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    The leg bending is about storing energy in the bottom turn, ready for release in the top turn. I'm sure you'll be doing it anyway, its automatic. He's not saying that you crouch down as you catch the wave, but as you compress into the carve, your knees will bend. Thus your leg muscles are pre-loaded ready for an explosive top turn. If you stay straight-legged throughout, you will not have any extension left to force the board into the lip and round. In cross shore or cross-on, the carve stays on almost until you reach the lip, then the board flattens out and changes rail (weightless at this point) before you drive your back leg straight out for max spray.

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    Pro tip 1.
    get into your wetsuit first, then select best gear and rig up on the beach, watching the conditions and other riders.
    Gives you 5 to 10 minutes to watch the break, maybe even change your gear choice!
    The number of times Ive watched a sailor rig up and then disappear for 10 minutes to get changed and then launch without getting into the groove.....
    less of an issue for locals but a killer for intermediates!

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    Seems reasonable (last two comments) can't wait to get back out on some waves and ride em! Will have to try the exaggerating the bending at bottom of turn to see if it improves the ride along with more observation.
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