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  1. #43
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    Hmmm, the apology came up but not the posts I was apologising for.

    Basically, the people who enjoy One Designs are not morons (they've won more PBA World Cups, done more Olympics, and won more world class trophies in high performance sailing and probably more kiting championships than anyone here) nor are they wallowing in nostalgia. Kites are not "more fun" for everyone, just as bicycles are not "more fun" for people who prefer XC running and SUPs are not "more fun" to those who prefer Raceboards.

    The simple, fast-tacking style of boards like the One Design is not a throwback, just as in other sports the simpler version is not a primitive throwback. Sir Chris Hoy's gold medal bicycle is not sneered at because it hasn't got gears; Froome's Tour de France bike is not sneered at because it's 40 kmh slower than a streamlined recumbent. Simpler does not mean inferior.

    It's not "less effort" to drive through city traffic to find a place that is suitable for kiting, instead of being able to sail on a little local lake each Wednesday with your mates, before going for wine and a pizza. It's not "less effort" to get ready and then get skunked, instead of going out and doing freestyle, cruising or racing in a shifty 6 knot breeze. It's not "less effort" to replace your racing gear every time the manufacturer makes something new.

    Many of the reasons given here to diss the One Design are reasons to diss windsurfing in favour of kiting. If you can understand why windsurfing has appeal, you should be able to understand why something like a One Design has appeal.

  2. #44
    I'm not a user/fan of this sort of kit myself nowadays, but I welcome your posts and views here, C249.

    Certain types of board are universal and still really suit local water conditions in many areas.

    Most of us have specialised with our kit to suit our local conditions, but niche marketing that has not helped accessibility to our sport.


    I think you have to dump any nostalgia for any class because of its history – and instead just embrace what a design does well.
    Now back in the UK.

  3. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by C249 View Post
    Hmmm, the apology came up but not the posts I was apologising for.
    C249, the forum software has been consistently removing your posts as spam. I don't know why. Sorry for the delay before I have been able to restore them.

    I too started windsurfing on the original Windsurfer and, even allowing for rose-tinted specs, I still think Schweitzer got it right and it was a very good design.

    Slightly shorter and more responsive than the Div 1 boards like the Sea Panthers, Windgliders, Bics etc which followed, it adapted so well to different conditions and had great range.

    It seems to me there will always be a market for that kind of board.
    Last edited by MartinJ; 25th April 2018 at 12:53 PM.

  4. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Navegante View Post
    We simply admitted the appearance of WindSUPs without much fuss and many bought a Sup and are proud to re-tell their exploits on a wave SUP in flat water... how lame is that within the general lameness of SUPing?
    terribly lame, but very easy to access both financially and time wise if you happen to be at the beach anyway....
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    I guess like many of us "Original" class of seventies windsurfer I share the nostalgia and indeed throughout my commercial period strived to keep class racing and long boards alive right up until 2007-8 when I had a spirited attempt at inspiring folk to use the Kona, my only success being in Ireland where they didn't have the RYA deciding it wasn't a board to be recommended to beginners without even seeing or sailing one.

    But even I eventually had to admit the time has passed, and it's never going to return, even the formerly strong Dinghy world are watching as the numbers travelling to events are dwindling. Why? traffic on the roads maybe, too many other 'things' placing demands on our time, or just the hassle of hitching a trailer or to put boards on the roof rack. Then there's the competition for shelf space at retail outlets where the ceiling height alone means boards can't be stacked vertically so an entire wall length shelf would have to be devoted to a board measuring 3metres 60. So then it falls to the internet, and the challenge to find a courier that is going to dedicate the space in a Sprinter size van, or a hub that could cope with a near 4 mtre package.
    There's a board I fancy on Facebook, but it's down the west country, there is no other means of obtaining it than by travelling down there, so likely that's where it'll remain, I seriously can't be asked, what with my new boat and some new kites just arrived, do i really want to buy a new board for tuesday nights if I can coax another season out of the old one (it's only been twenty years I've been using it after all)and I'm an enthusiast for it, so seriously what chance is there to get it all going again in a world with so much more than there was in 1976 when it first crossed my radar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graemef View Post
    But even I eventually had to admit the time has passed, and it's never going to return, even the formerly strong Dinghy world are watching as the numbers travelling to events are dwindling. Why?
    Roads, hassle, wind guru, life pressures and sexier alternative opportunities - sure those all count. But you failed to mention the blazing incompetence of the whoever claims to run dinghy sailing these days and those who have let the inmates take over the asylum.

    In days gone by, the only reason to travel was for better, one design competition. I mean why leave your local club, packing all your **** up, if you weren't going for the craic of meeting and racing new people or friends from different parts, in the same boat as you? The dose of a proper schooling in the art of racing can only really be done when the equipment, or at least the rules around the equipment, is standardised.... why travel for anything less? The same must have applied back in the day with windsurf racing.... travel was for competition and craic surely?

    This ethos is still strong enough in some boats - lasers, solos etc still have reasonable circuit event numbers. But rather than pair up with like minded classes and share events, with a say a split start but shared beers, a lot of classes have gone full blown bat **** crazy focusing on a specific series of handicap events running everything off that blessed PY system- they've even butchered that further for their own commercial interests, yet no one other than you seems to acknowledge it.

    And the irony is, they even weight the handicaps positively to subtly undermine those classes who do still have independent fleet racing events - meaning an average laser sailor thinks they're far better than they actually are when they turn up at these dick events.

    And because these handicap events routinely 'sell out', they actually think they're a massively positive force for dinghy racing in the UK. It's a classic case of an echo chamber.... the same core group travelling to these events, die hards, if you will, validating the actions of those who profit from them. They were always just 'beer league' events to keep cobwebs at bay in the winter, now they are seemingly the core racing circuit for dinghy sailors and its influence felt even at club level - no longer does the local pond sweep up 'winter memberships' from coastal clubs, and let's not set you off on their iteration of the handicap schedule.

    People who have either lack imagination or can resist the temptations to step outside of their comfort zone of dinghy sailing are generally few and far between - and there's a massive cliff edge coming with the demographic who still participate.

    It would be nice to think the dinghy folk would look to the history of windsurf racing and learn some lessons.... but they won't, it's ****ed and they don't even know it yet. Enjoy what's left mate, and well done on buying a fantastic boat.
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    Why did we go? Let me list the wonders on offer..
    1st year a chance to win a place on the UK team sponsored to travel to Mexico, now Mexico in the 70's was a major trek and carried simply oodles of cred and adventure, I swear to God I saw them kicking the tyres on the last hop from Cozumel to Cancun in a prop and string plane.
    Then came the Pimms Nationals, The Carlsberg Series, Girls with cigarette trays full of Peter Stuyvesant waiting for us as we came off the water, rockstars of our era.. Smirnoff, Heineken, Captain Morgan, party till you puke.. Overseas travel to Bahamas, Okinawa,Greece, coming out of the drab winters discontent onto the beaches of the world with literally hundreds of like minded windsurfers we had the time of our lives..

    Then came the eighties and the party really started, if you can remember.. you really weren't there.

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