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    I do hope it, or something like it succeeds. If Cobra are serious then they need to be shouting more. I would love to see windsurf boards once again in Decathlon and similar outlets. I would love to see boards on roofs of cars instead of at the local dump where last week I saw 14 lined up in a skip. We have had plenty of initiatives here in the UK to promote our sport but sadly it is still dwindling. Health and safety, finances, access restrictions inland etc have all played a part. We are in many parts of inland UK lacking in locations to learn. At the coast there are locations, but not enough people willing to teach partly because of cost. Again, it does come down to price for many. The cash required to get one of these and setup is the price of a new kitchen, or a decent home cinema setup. Sadly there are too many fat chuffers who would rather spend the money on a butt bleaching than some exercise. If I hear one more person say “windsurfing, s that the thing with the kites” I will crack and insert a 380 in them.

    I doe own a longboard and an F2 Phoenix which I used to teach a couple of people on. I do not race, I lack the competitive streak and windsurf more to get away from people. However, racing does work in getting people together, if there is a good club run bey a popular person to do it. Borg used to have plenty of people turn up on a Thursday evening to race followed by a barbecue. In the latter years the club even bought loads of Phantoms for those evenings to even things up a bit. Sadly that too seems to have dwindled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C249 View Post
    Thanks to you and the other people who have given this a positive reception. It's certainly not for everyone, but it could be great for the sport.
    This Week End there is an Original Windsurfer gathering in Livorno, part of the Italian race calendar but i read that this new Windsurfer LT is not arriving until June in Italy or Europe (?) which is a pitty, I wanted to go and see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill104 View Post
    C249,

    I do hope it, or something like it succeeds. If Cobra are serious then they need to be shouting more. I would love to see windsurf boards once again in Decathlon and similar outlets. I would love to see boards on roofs of cars instead of at the local dump where last week I saw 14 lined up in a skip. We have had plenty of initiatives here in the UK to promote our sport but sadly it is still dwindling. Health and safety, finances, access restrictions inland etc have all played a part. We are in many parts of inland UK lacking in locations to learn. At the coast there are locations, but not enough people willing to teach partly because of cost. Again, it does come down to price for many. The cash required to get one of these and setup is the price of a new kitchen, or a decent home cinema setup. Sadly there are too many fat chuffers who would rather spend the money on a butt bleaching than some exercise. If I hear one more person say “windsurfing, s that the thing with the kites” I will crack and insert a 380 in them.

    I doe own a longboard and an F2 Phoenix which I used to teach a couple of people on. I do not race, I lack the competitive streak and windsurf more to get away from people. However, racing does work in getting people together, if there is a good club run bey a popular person to do it. Borg used to have plenty of people turn up on a Thursday evening to race followed by a barbecue. In the latter years the club even bought loads of Phantoms for those evenings to even things up a bit. Sadly that too seems to have dwindled.
    Wow your kitchen and home cinema are inexpensive, where do you get those?

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    I don't know why many windsurfers are so keen for the sport to be more popular - its busy enough as it is on the best beaches on the best days!

    I'm not sure more light wind kit on the market will make a lot of difference to windsurfing's popularity - its always going to be niche. When it was popular in the '80s it didn't have anywhere near as much competition from other activities. I think people are busier now too - sports like golf and cricket, where you need a lot of time, are also on the decline. How many people can regularly get 4-5 hours of free time for a hobby? I can find time occasionally, but then I already know how good windsurfing is - for a noob, it must look like a lot of time and effort is required and they don't yet know that its worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyboy View Post
    I don't know why many windsurfers are so keen for the sport to be more popular - its busy enough as it is on the best beaches on the best days!

    I'm not sure more light wind kit on the market will make a lot of difference to windsurfing's popularity - its always going to be niche. When it was popular in the '80s it didn't have anywhere near as much competition from other activities. I think people are busier now too - sports like golf and cricket, where you need a lot of time, are also on the decline. How many people can regularly get 4-5 hours of free time for a hobby? I can find time occasionally, but then I already know how good windsurfing is - for a noob, it must look like a lot of time and effort is required and they don't yet know that its worth it!
    Because it makes people better and there's the camaraderie.

    It will introduce windsurfing to a new generation as it did back in the beginning.

    Weather people are busier now is not the problem of Windsurfing, it's the problem of the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyboy View Post

    I'm not sure more light wind kit on the market will make a lot of difference to windsurfing's popularity - its always going to be niche. When it was popular in the '80s it didn't have anywhere near as much competition from other activities. I think people are busier now too - sports like golf and cricket, where you need a lot of time, are also on the decline. How many people can regularly get 4-5 hours of free time for a hobby? I can find time occasionally, but then I already know how good windsurfing is - for a noob, it must look like a lot of time and effort is required and they don't yet know that its worth it!
    Yes, there are more activities - but we know that the arrival of the new activities doesn't necessarily harm existing sports because cycling, for example, has grown enormously in many areas when windsurfing has declined. Kayaking and surfing in some areas has also grown enormously over the same period. So we've got proof that the arrival of new sports does not necessarily prevent growth in old ones.

    We also know that the arrival of some new activities (such as kiting) has not prevented other new activities (such as SUPping) from booming, so obviously the leisure market is not saturated.

    As to how many people can spare 4-5 hours for a hobby; well, that's what this sort of board can address. You don't have to pack a few sails and a couple of boards and then drive all the way to "the best beaches" to get a sail. You can chuck one board on the roof, take one easily-rigged sail and one mast, and then drive down to the local beach and have a good time even if the conditions aren't as good as on "the best beaches". You can get a quick but satisfying sail within 90 minutes or so.

    Is it as good as "the best beach" locally? Perhaps not, but "the best beach" locally probably isn't as good as Hookipa or Namibia either. Everything's relative.

    As you say, to the noob windsurfing as it is currently marketed does look like a lot of time and effort. That's what this board (and from pics it appears that Starboard has joined the party) is trying to address, by showing the more accessible side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C249 View Post
    ......Maker, how much time have you spent socialising in a One Design fleet recently? How do you know the effort involved?.......
    I was referring to the origin of this thread with the board being partially targeted at beginners and that alternative sport require less time to get to a level you can call fun. Other sports also offer a socail aspect. So, neither the fun nor social aspect will attract many beginners in as they can get both elsewhere, with the fun part coming earlier. Rather than replicating ol designs they shoudl be providing deignes that get you plaining and turning easier if they want beginners to come in and stick
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